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    The Interview Series // 13

    losowsky1

    Publishing. It’s a world many young creatives yearn to enter. Magazines offer all the tantalising perks of being young – photography, writing, culture, ideas… They also get made in amazing warehouse style offices with attractive ladies at reception and all the blow you could ever want. Well, at least that’s what we’re lead to believe – or want to believe. We wanted to know more about this industry and the successful people who make it work. That’s why we’re super dooper excited to introduce you to Andrew Losowsky, arguably one of the world’s leading voices on publishing. Andrew does many things. So many in fact that we reluctantly put ‘editor & writer’ under his name above. His website losowsky.com (http://losowsky NULL.com) unearths at least a fraction of said ‘things’. He writes a blog on magazines (http://www NULL.losowsky NULL.com/magtastic/), has just published a book (http://losowsky NULL.com/doorbells/), co-runs a worldwide magazine symposium called Colophon (http://blog NULL.colophon2009 NULL.com/), and thinks the internet is shit (http://www NULL.internetisshit NULL.org/). If you want to have absolutely anything to do with the publishing industry, do not skim read this. Your career depends on it.

    Junior: Hey Andrew, we hear you’ve just moved to the U.S. Is there something there you couldn’t find in London or Barcelona?

    Andrew: Yes! My beautiful, wonderful wife. Love is all you need.

    Jr: Aww it sure is! Hooray for love. So fill us in on your education and how you first fell into doing what you do.

    A: Degree in English Literature and Theatre Studies from the University of Warwick in the UK, but far more instructive were the 40+ hours each week I spent there in my second year, editing the student newspaper. That helped me to get work experience placements on websites and magazines, and then soon after graduation, an eight-week job came up at a magazine company called John Brown Publishing (http://www NULL.johnbrownmedia NULL.com) in London. Eight weeks became three years, in which I became the youngest editor in the company, and was named one of the UK’s New Journalists of the Year.

    I then started to look around for new challenges – and without knowing anyone there, or hardly any Spanish, decided to move to Spain. A few months into my Spanish adventure, I got involved with a new startup company called Le Cool (http://lecool NULL.com/)…

    Jr: Yes! LeCool was a pretty great idea. It was definitely one of the first publishing projects we saw as young impressionables that illustrated the possibilities of publishing. True story. Was it one of the first ‘projects’ you began that wasn’t just ‘writing for stuff’? How did it spring into being and what is it doing now?

    A: Le Cool was the brainchild of a Swedish media mogul-in-making, René Lönngren, who was living (and still lives) in Barcelona. I joined about three months after I arrived in Barcelona, in about week three of the company’s first weekly email magazine. I was translating/rewriting texts from Spanish to English, as a way of improving my rather poor language skills. I hung around the office (actually a windowless corridor between two other offices) long enough to become a fixture. Meanwhile I was working as a freelancer, editing a couple of other publications, and writing journalism for The Guardian newspaper and others. I also wrote a blog about living in Barcelona.

    René was interested in creating a special kind of guidebook to the city, and so we started to plan it together. We worked so well together that he then asked me to become the company’s first editorial director. And so I did. I did that for four years, before moving to the States, in which time we expanded to eight cities, created five guidebooks (http://www NULL.lecoolbook NULL.com/), made a revolutionary monthly inflight magazine (http://lingmagazine NULL.com/), and created various client projects around Europe. It was quite a ride. The company is still going strong – Dublin, Moscow and Budapest are their next expansions… with plenty more to come.

    Jr: We know you’re a big fan of independent publishing. Setting up Colophon (http://blog NULL.colophon2009 NULL.com/) (the Luxembourg based magazine symposium) with Jeremy Leslie (http://magculture NULL.com/blog/) and Mike Koedinger (http://www NULL.mikekoedinger NULL.com/) is an obvious testament to that. There’s going to be a lot of keen young publishers reading this – what are the most important things you think they should know before deciding to live their days in self-imposed squalor?

    A: If you want to create a magazine, you need to think long and hard why you want to do it – and then focus on those reasons.

    What is it you love about making a magazine as opposed to, say, a Facebook group or a website? If it’s about the tactility of the object, then focus on your design and on unearthing wonderful types of paper that you can afford. If it’s about the distinct rhythms that the best magazines have, then make sure that your magazine has that, that it’s clear, focused, on theme and on message throughout. Ensure that the reader knows where they are at any given moment, and can see clearly how all the parts add up to the whole.

    If it’s about beautiful photography, work hard to make sure that it is beautiful, and don’t try to cut corners on quality reproduction. Try to break down what it is you love about the object.

    There are so many other, cheaper options for getting your message out that aren’t magazines, so if you are going to commit to print, be sure you know why you’re doing it. These are the reasons that will keep you going on those long, unpaid nights, and help you keep falling in love with making magazines every single time you get a new issue delivered.

    Jr: Penny Modra told us this, “I mean, look, novels don’t suck, but they won’t make you money and it’s no way to start out.” You’ve written a couple of books now and done quite well at it too. Say I’m a budding writer, where should I realistically set my sights? Writing books, journalism, freelance writing, zine producing, espresso making, all of the above…? Help!

    A: Penny’s great. I’m a big fan of hers.

    I will say, however, that you should tell the stories you want to tell, in whatever medium they fit best in. If it’s a novel, write a novel. If it’s a radio script, write a radio script. If it’s a blog entry, a Twitter feed, an eBay description, a picture caption… do that. Find what you love, and only then see if there’s a way of making money from it. If there isn’t, don’t fret about that. Enjoy the fact that you’ve found something you love, and fit it into your life wherever you can.

    I would highly recommend experimenting with different media, playing around with any and every way of telling stories you can find, and keeping an eye on what new possibilities developing technology might offer.

    If you happen to be lucky and persistent, a publisher might say yes to a properly presented proposal – but don’t mistake publication for validation that what you do is good and worthwhile. Publication merely means that the publisher thinks your writing will happen to fit the next marketing zeitgeist, and will complement the other things in their catalogue that season.

    Publishing is a business – literary beauty and emotionally true stories are pretty low on the list of what they’re looking for. Marketable, sellable, trendy are the most important factors for publication. Don’t worry if you’re none of these things right now – markets change, trends move. The important thing is to create your own, genuine voice while writing great stories. The market will inevitably eventually make its way to you, so make your writing as polished as you can get it for when it does.

    If however your main goal is purely to make money from writing, then find a few niches you can explore, and then be prepared to write to order, even if it doesn’t necessarily reflect your world view. That’s how freelancing works.

    But don’t feel that the only way to write is for money. You’ll feel much better about yourself once a need to earn from it is taken out of the equation. And if you’re both very good at marketing yourself, and very very lucky, you might sometimes get to do both.

    Jr: Magazine type people talk a lot about the ‘flow’ of a magazine and how an issue has been put together. You sound like a good person to ask. What represents a good and a bad ‘flow’?

    A: A good flow is like anything beautiful and true: I can’t really describe it, but I know it when I see it.

    It may or may not be: a variety of articles that are the same but different, that aren’t in the same single voice but all contain a familiar tone; a series of articles that aren’t all about the same topic, but have something clear in common, exploring the magazine’s theme from different and unexpected angles. A difference in pace, that draws me in with every twist of the fishing line.

    Put another way, every magazine is trying to flirt with its reader. It wants to seduce them into keeping focused, and into a bigger commitment – that is, reading the longer, indepth articles in the second half of the magazine. You can’t dive in at the start and challenge people with something so heavy at the beginning. So maybe you’ll open with some punchy, short anecdotes, give the reader something pretty to look at, something that makes them smile and like you. Then a medium-length piece, then something shorter again, before a longer piece with a beautiful graphic introduction.

    You also want your readers to know clearly where they are in the mag at any moment – so make sections bold and obvious, and don’t break the rules about what goes in each one. If a piece is fabulous and funny, but doesn’t quite fit with your magazine’s mission, or into any of the magazine’s clearly defined sections, then maybe this isn’t the place to publish it. Magazines are curated compilations of text, image, design, and you want to keep your reader along for the whole ride by changing the rhythm enough to keep them interested, without making them confused.

    How do you learn what is and isn’t good flow? Read lots and lots of magazines, I guess. And then trust your instincts.

    Jr: I wanted to ask you a question about blogs that was both relevant and insightful. But nothing I write makes me sound either one of those things. Do you have anything to say on the topic of blogging that exceeds the scope of my question asking abilities?

    A: Blogging is conversation – which means that 90% of it is banal small talk that will only interest a handful of people at a time. Which is completely fine, by the way, I don’t have any problem with that. I’ll just read the bits that interest me. Alternatively: blogging is Twitter for people without jobs. It strikes me as strange how technology has now developed to allow people to write less, rather than the other way around.

    Jr: You know, I’m sure you remember what it was like being young. Sleeping in, drinking to all hours and all those crazy things we young types get up to. Did you ever have to make the choice between being a twenty-something and being committed to your craft? When did you grow up?

    A: Oh goodness. I still don’t have that legendary dedication everyone talks about being necessary to write your 5,000 words a day. Instead of all-night drinking binges, my personal curse is all-day internet surfing and frantic email checking.

    One of the best things that ever happened to my productivity was when my neighbour stopped their open wifi connection. Peace at last.

    Jr: One question we throw around a lot is when or if to travel. Especially in terms of doing it for the sake of your career. You’ve moved countries a few times now, what pushed you to do it and what was your experience of trying to ‘make it’ in another place?

    A: The first time I moved away from the metaphorical bosom was aged 18, to teach English in a Hong Kong school for a year. The whole thing happened by mistake, I was planning on a quiet few months in Canada, and the organisation I applied to offered me Hong Kong instead. I went out there terrified, telling myself that I’d run home after trying it for a month. Instead, I discovered that putting yourself in situations you’re not ready for is the best way to get better at pretty much everything. I stayed a year in HK, and fell in love with the place. Since then, I’ve lived in London, Spain and now the USA – each has their own learning curve. The trick, I think, is to try and view the curve as a roller coaster, not a mountain. Weeeeeeee!

    Jr: Such great advice. I hope the kids out there are paying attention! What advice would you give your twenty-one-year-old self if you could actually buy a time-machine from the store and do that?

    A: I’m not sure I’d want to give much professional advice to my 21-year-old self. Mostly, as with everyone, the conversation would instead probably revolve about the girls I should have asked out, and people I shouldn’t have bothered pretending to be friends with. Actually, I know what I’d advise: Take this time machine, and sell it to Google. Then, in ten years time, I won’t have to worry about making a living as a writer.

    PUBLISHING, THE INTERVIEW SERIES, WRITING | Also tagged EDITING, FREELANCE, JOURNALISM, LeCool, PUBLISHING

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    The Interview Series // 11

    toddlamb

    What does one say about writer and artist Todd Lamb (http://web NULL.mac NULL.com/lambtodd)? This guy is an enigma wrapped in a mystery wrapped in a girl’s hoodie. He’s one of those guys who has ‘a finger’ in a lot of ‘pies’, but above all else is a genuinely funny guy. And when we say genuinely funny guy we actually mean fucking hilarious man of steel with balls the size of Obama’s brain. Before settling in New York City, Todd spent his years at three highly awarded US ad agencies, has written for several publications, had books published, directed TV commercials, done his fair share of stand-up comedy and has a world record for sitting on Whoopee Cushions recorded on Jimmy Fallon live. He’s also writing and developing an animation series called the Bloody Band Aidz. Did we mention he won an Emmy? No? Well he’s got one of those too. So although he may be an enigma with big balls, he definitely knows how to get shit done and win praise for it. We talked over email and this is what happened…

    Junior: Hey Todd. First thing’s first, we heard you won an Emmy? Is it real?

    Todd: Not only is it real, it’s shiny, golden and buried in my parent’s basement. When I lived in San Francisco, I stored it in my refrigerator to guard my beer and yogurt. Now it’s in Chicago, in a box until further notice (forever).

    Jr: You’ve worked at W+K Portland, Goodby Silverstein in San Fran, and Mother in New York. How did you go from uni student to working at three of the world’s great agencies?

    T: “The world’s great agencies”. That’s funny. They’ve done great stuff, but it’s important to know that these are businesses, just like a pet store or a fruit stand. You should be aware of that. This isn’t a bunch of hippies sitting around a commune, cracking jokes.

    The one thing I did do is go to school, worked hard, finished school, and now I write every day. Writing is such a great skill to work at and grow with. After you find your voice, you can expand endlessly on it for your whole life. Great writers are unstoppable. No one can touch them.

    Jr: We’re getting so bored of advertising. We’ve been doing a lot of ad interviews lately. How do you feel about advertising as a non-vapid alternative guy with a beard and some sense who’s seen some success in his career?

    T: I had to look-up the word “vapid (http://www NULL.yourdictionary NULL.com/vapid)” to know what you were talking about. (Editor’s note: Sorry man. Next time we won’t use a thesaurus.) I can tell you this: I do have a beard. That makes me the object of every straight woman’s desire and every lesbian’s secret fantasy.

    Advertising can be an amazing way to make things and collaborate with talented people. When the stars line-up: agency, client, co-workers, ideas—that feels nice. But, you should be very picky about who you give your ideas to and who you spend your time with. In the end, surround yourself with nice people that you genuinely trust, and you’ll be OK.

    Jr: You’re freelance now, and it sounds like you’ve been quite busy. For the younger freelance readers out there, (who may be writers, designers, film-makers, photographers, etc) have you any tips on making contacts and picking the right jobs?

    T: I just read in a book about chess that the word “freelance” comes from a soldier who would take his sword wherever they needed him, to fight in return for payment. Hence, the word “free” and “lance” together. I like that. I don’t have any advice other than freelancing is 100% gambling. It’s unsteady and with no guarantees. So you better be brave and you better be OK with falling flat on your face. But I recommend everyone try it, it is a different way to live.

    Jr: Ok, so writing. You’ve done quite a bit of ‘extra-curricular’ writing outside of your daily work…

    T: The idea of “extra-curricular” doesn’t exist. Writing is writing. Everything is valid and every form (ads, television, short films, books, magazines, the internet) needs good, humorous writing. Nowadays it’s all the same. This is a great thing for young people because there are so many choices.

    Jr: We hear you’ve been working on an animation series about band-aids. We have friends who are super keen to start writing scripts and pitching them but have no idea where to start. What’s the process been for you so far?

    T: It’s called the Bloody Band Aidz (http://www NULL.bloodybandaidz NULL.com) (www.bloodybandaidz.com). We developed it for a cable network. TV show development is a crazy thing. It takes people years to get a show on the air. Whether you’re Andy Richter or Dave Chappelle or someone else, the fame doesn’t always help you in the development process. It’s kind of like a two-year version of pitching an idea for a magazine article, but there’s a good chance you won’t get to do the project. So, if you want to try inventing a new TV show, know that it takes patience.

    Jr: Man, we saw you on Jimmy Fallon (http://urdb NULL.org/Content/RecordDetail NULL.aspx?id=374) too, and we’ll go out on a limb and say it was a wince (http://urdb NULL.org/Content/PostDetail NULL.aspx?id=6) – just for the record. How did that whole shebang come about?

    T: There is a thing in NYC called the Universal Record Database (http://urdb NULL.org/) which is a monthly event on stage where people can break world records. It’s part stand-up comedy and part “feats of strength”. So, Jimmy Fallon’s producer saw some of the videos on the site and asked us to come on the show. It was a great time. Jimmy Fallon is such a nice guy. He was so gracious to his guests. To watch him work is amazing.

    Jr: We should probably say something about the Chris posters (http://web NULL.mac NULL.com/lambtodd/iWeb/todd%20lamb%20/Todd%20Lamb%20Notes%20From%20Chris NULL.html). The story has become a bit of a sensation (http://www NULL.theage NULL.com NULL.au/national/artist-blasts-poster-plagiarist-craig-20090316-8zh2 NULL.html) down here is Oz. We need the hits so bear with us. Why did you do them in the first place and how do you feel about the dude who ripped you off?

    T: I did “Notes From Chris” (http://web NULL.mac NULL.com/lambtodd/iWeb/todd%20lamb%20/Todd%20Lamb%20Notes%20From%20Chris NULL.html) to make people laugh. It’s that simple. To make people’s day better and to entertain myself along the way.

    So, some guy in Australia tried to steal the posters, even word-for-word in some cases. I think the act of taking someone’s ideas and claiming them as your own is the lowest thing a human being can do, other than crapping on the hood of your neighbor’s car. Desperate people do things like steal. But thankfully, the guy who tried to steal my idea got exposed by the media and called-out as a thief.

    “Notes From Chris” is my ongoing project, so you’ll see more of them soon around NYC and online. Stay tuned to www.toddlamb.net (http://www NULL.toddlamb NULL.net)

    Jr: And finally, say there’s some budding comedy writers out there who are keen to be a sponge and learn their shit. Got any suggestions for books or mags or movies they should be sponging?

    T: Albert Brooks, Woody Allen, Conan O’Brian, Letterman, Freaks And Geeks, Mr. Show. I find 30 Rock to be totally amazing and brilliant. The list goes on forever and everyone has their own comedy taste. No one is right and no one is wrong.

    Get a Netflix account and watch everything funny that was ever made. Then get some sleep, have a cup of coffee, think real hard, and go make some funny stuff.

    ADVERTISING, FILM, THE INTERVIEW SERIES, WRITING | Also tagged ADVERTISING, ANIMATION, COMEDY, EMMY, FREELANCE, NEW YORK, TELEVISION, THE INTERVIEW SERIES, TODD LAMB

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    The Interview Series // 10

    ericquennoy

    See this picture above? It’s Eric! Don’t you just want to give him a cuddle? Aww, what a guy. He’s currently one of the insanely talented creative directors at Wieden+Kennedy (http://www NULL.wk NULL.com/) Amsterdam. It’s there that he makes ads for Nike and other authentically relevant brands. He made this ad about talking arteries (http://www NULL.youtube NULL.com/watch?v=WRlIZVeNI1k) which we think is particularly cool. We wanted to find out how we can make cool ads too, because we have no idea where to start. So we tried to ask some insightful questions, and maybe we did, but we suppose you’ll be the judge of that, Mr and Mrs Readership. So, what are you waiting for? Go on, it’s good we swear.

    Junior: Eric! It’s lovely to meet you. What are you up to at the moment? Is the weather annoying you like everyone else?

    Eric: Hey! Nice to meet you too. Right now, I’m at my desk and the first hints of Spring have hit Amsterdam. Everyone is so unbelievably happy and relieved that the rainy Winter nightmare is over. I’m also nervously waiting to hear if our Nike World Cup campaign has been approved from the head honchos in Portland. Please God/Allah/Vishnu/Satan.

    Jr: We’re praying too! So we hear you’re a Melbourne boy from way back. How does one of those end up at W+K Amsterdam?

    E: I left Melbourne in ’98 for New York City. Worked there for 7 years, had a kid, decided to get out, and landed a job here at W+K Amsterdam. Sweet.

    Jr: Did you have a job lined up before you packed your bags and said goodbye to the lucky country?

    E: No I didn’t. Having married an American I had a green card, so I thought I’d just move there and try shopping my book around. See how that goes. Luckily I got there in the midst of the dot com boom, when they were giving jobs to monkeys. I say luckily because my work was very Australian – weird brands, strange humor, low budget – and it didn’t go down all that well. But honestly, there was so much money around at the time they just needed people.

    Jr: You know, everyone in the world wants to work at W+K. All we hear is, ‘man, they do really cool work.’ Somehow we think it can’t just be guys shooting hoops and spending million dollar budgets. Is it really about ‘cool’ work or is there something more to it?

    E: Of course it’s about doing cool work, but that could never happen if the culture wasn’t in place to support the creatives. It is the only place I have ever worked at that is genuinely driven by creative. If the account people don’t think it’s right, but the creatives think it’s cool, well the creatives win. That doesn’t mean that the account guys are muppets, it’s just that they know they will never win that fight. So they get on board and support us wholeheartedly. All W+K offices are managed by two ECDs and one MD. Majority rules.

    Jr: That’s really nice to know. Advertising is generally filled with people bred to KILL creativity. Bah! What are we to do? I suppose everyone aspires to work at a ‘cool’ agency to get past that, but realistically not everyone is suited to the W+K’s of the world. What do you look for in an aspiring W+K candidate?

    E: There’s such a wide range of oddballs here, it’s hard to pick any defining feature of a W+K employee other than being ‘into it’. I guess everyone here is passionate about stuff, creative or otherwise. You can’t fake that. Oh, and an above average ability to write or art direct will help.

    Jr: As a Creative Director, how can a junior get on your good side? Is it all about presenting good work or are there other ways we can get you excited?

    E: I just want to see lots of ideas. And I never want anyone to take themselves too seriously.

    Jr: Copywriting. It’s misunderstood by so many juniors, probably because art direction seems to be the obvious choice for an ‘aspiring creative’. What would you say to a kid who wants to be a copywriter, but has no idea where to start, let alone hone their craft?

    E: Study the annuals and showreels. Read and write a lot. Work with a partner. Don’t smoke too much dope.

    Jr: What about the copywriters out there who are working already and are sick of writing brochures and eDMs for cooking utensils? What should they do to step it up and write better ads?

    E: Well if they’re already working they should be trying their utmost to do cool stuff for every client in the building. Anything will do, a banner, a flyer, a spot shot on a mobile phone, it doesn’t matter as long as it’s cool. They should also get very chummy with the best art director in the building.

    Jr: Very good advice, but as juniors we might have cool ideas yet it’s our presentation skills that need help. Any tips on how to present better, and especially creative that might seem a bit wacky, or worse, a ‘risk’?

    E: I always think it’s good to explain how you came to to an idea – your thinking process – no matter how left-field it is. And by the way ‘risk’ is good, but wacky is rarely good. And tell your idea like you’d tell it to your friends at the pub. With the same level of enthusiasm and all the little additional quips thrown in.

    Jr: Finally, all juniors are told to get a good mentor. What makes a good mentor and where should a junior look to find a good one?

    E: A good starting point is to get a mentor who isn’t shit. Someone who has done good work. Beyond that it’s about liking the person. Any half decent human will be happy to help you if you reach out to them for help. It takes balls, but I also suggest approaching someone you admire directly with a letter or a phone call. Once you ask them for advice, there’ll be no stopping them. We all love to bang about how much we know.

    ADVERTISING, ANIMATION, DESIGN, THE INTERVIEW SERIES, WRITING | Also tagged ADVERTISING, AMSTERDAM, CREATIVITY, NEW YORK, THE INTERVIEW SERIES, WIEDEN+KENNEDY

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    The Interview Series // 02

    If Penny Modra were to have a Wikipedia entry it would read, “Melbourne’s Godmother of Culture”. A founding member of the whirlwind poster publication Is Not Magazine (http://isnotmagazine NULL.org/), the current editor of ThreeThousand.com.au (http://www NULL.threethousand NULL.com NULL.au), a regular columnist for The Age’s M Magazine, and until recently, an impoverished waitress; Penny is an editor slash freelance writer who knows how to make the best of her time. She may be mad as a brush, but she’s also as sharp as a tack. Any young creative that comes into contact with Penny invariably ends up being the best at whatever they choose to do. So listen up kids, you’re lesson in how to be very, goddamn good begins now.

    JUNIOR: Yo Penny. Let’s do this interview. First things first: you’ve been working in publishing how long now?

    PENNY: OK, well, if you don’t count the newsletter I typed out on my babysitter’s electric job, then I guess four years. I started off doing Is Not Magazine (http://isnotmagazine NULL.org/) in 2005 with four of my friends. (Magazine on a poster, two metres wide, 12 issues over three years, all that.) Is Not was a total money pit, as are all independent publishing projects, at least in the beginning. We funded it by putting on parties. Anyway it went incredibly well, publicity-wise, from the start. We were on kottke.org (http://www NULL.kottke NULL.org/), style.com (http://www NULL.style NULL.com/), gridskipper.com (http://www NULL.gridskipper NULL.com) – all those US based big time design blogs and we started getting lots of online orders. I think these people liked it because we were using Underware (http://www NULL.underware NULL.nl) fonts. Anyway, all of a sudden I get this call from Barrie Barton, who’s now my employer. He rings up and leaves a message on my phone as though we’re old buddies. “Oh hi, it’s Barrie. I’m at fashion festival right now. Don’t worry, I’m drinking peach vodka for free.” And I started working on Right Angle Publishing (http://www NULL.rightanglepublishing NULL.com)‘s custom titles – writing up venues etc. I became gradually inculcated over time – doing contract work and earning actual money from waitressing. Now I’m editing ThreeThousand.com.au (http://www NULL.threethousand NULL.com NULL.au) for BB. Which is great. People send me sneakers.

    Jr: People send you sneakers? Where was I when there were sneakers?

    P: Hehe. You already have sneakers. I, however, have the feet of a gorilla. Anyway, these people sent me a sneaker last week and it was awesome. It is a Pop Art Converse with Lichtenstein dots. Anyway, I have to attend the ‘VIP’ launch if I want to get the other sneaker. True story. But you’ve got to get tricksier than that to lure me south of Brunton Ave (http://maps NULL.google NULL.com NULL.au/maps?q=brunton%20ave%2C%20melbourne&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org NULL.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wl).

    Jr: What a bunch of douchebags. If I wanted to get Penny Modra southside I’d have sent a megaphone and a glass of shandy. Think about it. Ok, so tell me why young writers fail at getting your attention. Are they that bad or is it you?

    P: They don’t always fail at it. Usually I find people are just way too narrow in their thinking. They have this idea that they want to get published, but they’ll send me really long creative writing pieces, for instance. Which doesn’t tell me anything about whether they could write for ThreeThousand. OR they’ve been beaten down by one too many journalism lecturers and end up using the word ‘aplenty’ in everything they write. OK, here’s me being a bitter old editor: If you want to make money from writing, you’ve got to understand what copywriting is, and you’ve got to seriously love it (rather than view it as some kind of inglorious detour on your route to literary fame). You also have to actually read the publications you pitch to.

    Jr: Undoubtedly so. The amount of young creatives who just don’t put the effort into learning about the job they’re applying for is astounding. But when it comes to young writers specifically, getting a job is confusing. Most believe they either have to write a novel or be a journalist to earn a living from writing. WTF?

    P: Not true! Both of those things suck. I mean, look, novels don’t suck, but they won’t make you money and it’s no way to start out. Journalism doesn’t suck either, but there are two ways to do it. Do you really want an internship at The Age (http://www NULL.theage NULL.com NULL.au/) where they’ll pay you nothing and cycle you through business, sports, travel and whatever else for basically no pay? Or would you like to have a column one day that someone has given you because you’ve built up your own identity as a writer more broadly? Better to take on the real world from the start I think. OK. Making money… Copywriting just means being a flexible writer. I charge upwards of $80 an hour for anything from press releases to company profiles. ThreeThousand doesn’t pay so well, but we’re always looking for people who can turn 150 words on a t-shirt into a really good piece of reading. Or a bar write-up into the highlight of someone’s day. And this is a rare and valuable skill.

    Jr: Oh indeed! Learning to make 150 words really kick is invaluable. I’m still figuring it out. You’re an editor though, not just a writer. And from what I know, the difference between the job description for a writer and one for an editor couldn’t be further apart. What makes a good editor?

    P: Yes! Editors don’t just choose content and stand about looking brunette and frowning at the layout pin-up boards of art directors like you see on the television. You know, it’s a real problem in Australia. People don’t know what editors do. That means they don’t know how to hire them or what to pay them. Editors UNITE! Here’s some stuff we can do: structural editing for long texts (novels, theses, etc); copy editing (fixing grammar and punctuation); and proof reading (including mark-up on printed texts). Editors are also good at anality. Looking at every detail of a document and not ever assuming that something has already been checked. And editors must love the finance department as much as they love their writers because editors are the gourmet filling in that particular sandwich.

    Jr: So an editor edits and a writer writes. But I’ve never met a writer who thought they could actually write. How much does an education in writing make a difference in the real world?

    P: Eeeee! It can make a big difference. But only if you’ve really studied writing. I mean punctuation, grammar and tone – and writing for different purposes. If you have studied journalism you may well be bitter and pessimistic already – thinking to yourself that life holds no more for you than an internship at the Shepparton Tribune. All the joy and honesty has been sapped from you, leaving behind a husk of a person, capable only of starting paragraphs with the words “Such and such an event at Revolver this weekend promises thrills aplenty.” So try to remember your English language skills and forget everything else. People who are honest, and have genuine curiosity and a real interest in the world are good writers.

    Jr: Ok, so say you’re some hip twenty-something itching to start writing for some of Australia’s best publications – be they magazines or newspapers. Should they start camping out the front of RUSSH (http://www NULL.russhaustralia NULL.com/) with a notebook and John Lennon’s old sunglasses or is there a better way?

    P: Well, I would recommend starting online. That’s what a lot of really great young columnists have done over the past five years. Marieke Hardy (http://reasonsyouwillhateme NULL.com/), Ben Law (http://www NULL.benjamin-law NULL.com/), Mia Timpano (http://miatimpano NULL.wordpress NULL.com/), Clem Bastow (http://reasonsyouwillhateme NULL.com/guest-poster-4---clem-bastow). Either get your own blog or pitch to an online title like ThreeThousand. (Editors note: There are five more online titles I can think of off the top of my head other than ThreeThousand in Melbourne alone. Do your research, there’s some great ones (http://www NULL.breakfastout NULL.com NULL.au/) out (http://www NULL.lovebento NULL.com NULL.au/) there (http://www NULL.pagesonline NULL.it/).) This is an easy way to prove yourself and to start a network. When you’re pitching to other people, you can send them links to your work. Or you can just meet them by saying “Oh herro, I linked to you in my blog because I think you are rad.” (People do this all the time, apparently. Look, I know it sounds lame, but it’s NOT.) Make sure every piece of work you do is solid gold, no matter what it’s for. Also, approach magazines through other networks. I have hired people who just write really good press releases for bands. You can pitch to people whom you’ve never met, but make sure you know exactly how your suggested piece fits into their magazine and send them the first paragraph so they can see you’re very, goddamn good. Or start your own magazine. That worked for us with Is Not. Just make sure your magazine is distributed in the right places and that it’s not crap.

    Jr: I said it in the last interview and I’ll say it again: Networking – a stupid fucking buzzword. You’ve made a living out of having a broad network. What’s your advice for youngsters looking to add a few pages to their address book?

    P: Don’t be a douchebag. Remember that every single person you meet might be very interesting. Old, young, ugly, rich, poor – the lot. If they turn out to be an idiot or worse, they will be useful to you later either as a rich vein of comedy, or as a quote in an article. But usually they’ll turn out to be interesting and one day you’ll be glad you know them. So, how to meet them? Work at a cafe. Be in the city. Do not go home to Hawthorn or Essendon. Get away from your university, I mean ASAP. Get away from school and university networks and clubs and join real world clubs. Such as people who sit at bars and bitch about life. Or people who help out at radio stations. Or people who start magazines. Or run arts festivals. And when you are in conversations with people, listen to what they’re saying. Don’t be all shy, just actually listen to them and then you’ll relax and think of things to say back.

    Jr: You’ve just spent a week escorting Patti Smith (http://en NULL.wikipedia NULL.org/wiki/Patti_Smith) around Melbourne as part of the International Arts Festival. Did you manage to keep a lock of her hair?

    P: Haha! No. But I got a guitar pick from Tony Shanahan and some advice on writing from Patti and Lenny Kaye. Which went something like, “What are you writing for a weekend newspaper lift-out for? What is this sh*t?” Patti Smith is the perfect hero for freelancers, I think. She works hard on everything she does and she has never stopped critiquing her own work. She moved to New York in 1967 with nothing but the intention to “kick poetry in the ass”, and look what she did! It was just a dream that she forced to come true. I mean she couldn’t even play the guitar for most of the ’70s, but she does now. Also, she’s funny and has top-quality friends, which is always a very good sign. One good lesson I learned: Patti hates the phrase ‘Godmother of punk’. She said, watch out because every photo caption and article about me over the next week will use that phrase because it’s in the first paragraph of the Wikipedia entry. And it was true! So don’t treat Wikipedia as your personal reference library because you will get sprung! And rock icons will grow to hate you.

    Jr: Ahh Patti Smith. Swoon. Tell us a little about your new project, The Good Copy. I hear only good things.

    P: Well, it’s starting out as an agency for editors and copy writers. I called it The Good Copy because of my aforementioned respect for the skill of copy writing and my hatred of the godawful literary hierarchy that plagues Australia’s writing scene. But I hope, hope, hope it can grow into a group that will present great events and publish excellent things online. And that also, one day, will establish an editors’ dojo, where we will all sit on couches reading Style Manuals and no longer feel like freelancers adrift upon a lonely ocean. That’s it.

    *Notes from Penny: NEVER use food metaphors in music write-ups. God. Just don’t do it. Watch out for dangling modifiers (having run to the station, the train was 20 minutes late); the subject of a sentence needs to follow a modifying phrase. And remember: If you say, “This festival will have acts like Lykke Li and Leonard Cohen”, that means Lykke Li and Leonard Cohen won’t be there, but acts similar to them will be playing. Which kind of sucks.

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